Jeffrey Kripal explores how extraordinary experiences—mystical, paranormal, or anomalous—require new interpretive frameworks beyond traditional science and religion. He proposes “thinking-with” experiencers to co-create meaningful narratives that make space for paradox and subjectivity. In this interview he discusses dual aspect monism, ontological shock, and the role of narrative in transforming consciousness. Kripal emphasizes the importance of storytelling in making the impossible thinkable, advocating for a worldview rooted in inclusivity, creativity, and not-knowing. The interview closes with a reflection on fiction as a vehicle for spiritual truth, inspired by Philip K. Dick and my own mythopoetic writing journey.